Last edited by iandean; 11-09-2013 at 01:06 PM. Reason: edited broken code
Not sure why you are taking this personal, I have never named you once. And my issue isnt out of any loyalty to Gaz, I cornered against him in his first pro fight
My issue is that as an active official for over 8 years and one who hopes to be an official going forward I believe this decision to be both flawed and potentially damaging to our sport and if things like this are going to happen I believe it should explained why and a benchmark set. I couldn't care less about you personally (as I this could be any fighter)
Whilst I respect and often ask for advice and clarification from Mr Goddard when I have an issue to resolve I can also publically disagree with him. This is everyone's sport and if standards are going to be set from
The top us in the middle can ask why
The only gripe I could think of is that in the NSAC rules submissions are deemed by a referee stoppage (in response to that tap/injury/unconsciousness) and not by the tap in itself, and a fighter himself judging a fight to be over. Referees often say 'fight until I tell you to stop', and this fight wasn't stopped for the submission.
However, that's technical, and morally we know what the right course of action is. Adam got the tap and deserved the win. It was actually a really good fight and I'm sure both guys will go on to do well.SUBMISSIONS
1. The referee shall make it explicitly known to the fighters that severe injuries observed by the referee during the match due to a submission hold shall cause a stoppage to the match. The referee shall make it known to both fighters that they must take care to protect themselves from substantial and lasting injuries. If a fighter is placed into a submission hold that the fighter realizes is causing damage to the attacked body part of the fighter, the fighter can tap allowing the referee to stop the match.
2. Any fighter who is placed into a submission hold may attempt in any legal fashion to free themselves from the hold. The referee will closely observe the hold and the defending fighter’s position and actions. If the referee observes that during the submission the defending fighter suffers a dislocation, or break to the attacked limb, the referee shall call a halt to the match and declare the opponent of the injured fighter the winner of the match
As Dave mentioned, there was plenty of controversy in this one starting from the weigh-ins, but I'm sure both guys would like to dust themselves off and move forward.
And Adam, as i said, i have no issue against you. Howerver the above statement is ridiculous. If you havge a broken nose and cant fight this is your fault and yours alone. All referees make it clear, and fighters know, that a fight ends when the referee says it ends, not when the fighter decides to let go of a submission because he feels the fight should be over.
Let your nose be a reminder to not make that mistake again. If you had of held the submission like you should have then chances are Marc would have spotted it and this wouldnt have happened.
No one is denying that you deserve the win, i just think you have screwed yourself over. If other people disagree then fair enough. Its nothing personal
Last edited by iandean; 11-09-2013 at 01:07 PM. Reason: edited broken code
the weight shouldnt be an issue. Gaz accepted the fight so is what it is
hope the nose makes a good recovery
'I'm not saying I couldn't find a few minutes a day to read a forum, but somehow I've managed to make it through these past few years without being called a faggot on a daily basis.'
If the choke was on tight then he may well not have remembered tapping. To call him a liar is maybe a bit too harsh as anyone who has ever been choked out or to the point where you see the 'blurs', know that the mind can play tricks. I've been choked out drilling and didn't have a clue until I heard people asking if I am OK
What about the ring/cage side officials judges? Did any of them not see the tap?
Over-turning this by video replay is a bit off in my opinion. What if the cameras where not there would someone get their mobile phone out? What about other shows that don't film the action.
Should have either been a No Contest but you could argue the result should have stood as the referee did not stop the fight. Ref's make mistakes and that's part and parcel of the sport. Just like football, how many 'clear' goals have not been allowed yet no results have ever been over-turned. Like that one against Man Utd. which was clearly about 5 feet past the goal line !!!