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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste91 View Post
    If you work the doors it should be well drilled into you that as long as you can justify the level of force being used and are quite happy to have to explain yourself in front of a court of law if the shit does hit the fan then use whatever you wish.

    I'm always very wary when using any sort of choke on some guy as Sledge said previously, I've been in that same position and absolutely shat my pants. And I'd be very reluctant to use any form of choke on anyone in Aberdeen right now after a recent incident where a guy was choked to death by a jiu-jitsu trained doorman at a nightclub.
    ^^^This it all comes down to justifying reasonable force. I am the king of justifying the preemptive strike. Chokes although they look awful are actually a good way of subduing violent assailants.

    Having used a variety of moves in 13yrs of doorwork. Standing kimura is my favourite as it allows u to plant knee's. Head and arm triangle I have used loads or "unilateral head and arm restraint" as I call it.

    Rolling armbar in the queue was probably my coolest ever move.

    Altho my F5 is the pinnacle of cool door moves. The story is as follows...

    Stood on an raised area on the ground floor of what used to be Yates in MK. From above a drink gets poured on me.

    I look up at the balcony section directly above me and no one is there. So I resume surveying the crowd.

    Once again a drink gets poured on me, again I look up. This time getting fucking agitated (Prop, Tren and Winny not helping the situation). NOTHING!!! GRRRR!!! I then realise the bar I am facing has a mirrored wall. So rather than monitor the crowd I patiently await the culprit to do it again.

    It happen again just as someone starts to talk to me and unfortunately still fucking gets me. By this point I am about to HULK out. Especially as I notice the bell end responsible in the mirror.

    I remain calm, which is using all my resolve. He starts to head down stairs where I am. I strut on and meet him 3 steps from bottom. My poker face staying strong, he has no idea he has been rumbled and BOOM.....

    BIG right straight to the groin... He buckles, croutching over at the perfect height for me to catch him across my back...

    Beast mode fully engaged he is primed for the F5. I foot his weight with ease tbh I am that livid a pregnant wilderbeast would feel light right now. Main entrance doors immediately adjacent to my left.

    Like a man possessed I charge thru. The 2 doorman on the front are like WTF as is the busy Saturday night queue and then "IT'S TIME".

    With all my might I spin driving his feeble body into the ground from about 7ft in the air...

    The best part both his shoes come off on impact and I promptly frisbee them across the street in opposite directions.

    Vegence served I walk inside, still twitching and resume surveillance
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    I always think being an amazing mma fighter would be so dangerous in the bouncing realm. If you are at a "pro" standard you are basically walking with the equivalent of a loaded gun.

    Boxing/muay thai/bjj all seem far too deadly for use on the general public if you are genuinely talented. You could easily end up getting a prison sentence.

    I think for a bouncer your best bet is just being a really big guy and doing wrestling or rugby or some thing along those lines, then you can just smother people and lock them down with out causing any real damage.

    I remember watching a video of donald cerrone doing "sparring" with some average gym goers, he throws a head kick at probably 5% power (seriously) and drops this kid, he literally just taps him.

    Imagine what the bigger guys would do when striking normal people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timp View Post
    I always think being an amazing mma fighter would be so dangerous in the bouncing realm. If you are at a "pro" standard you are basically walking with the equivalent of a loaded gun.

    Boxing/muay thai/bjj all seem far too deadly for use on the general public if you are genuinely talented. You could easily end up getting a prison sentence.

    I think for a bouncer your best bet is just being a really big guy and doing wrestling or rugby or some thing along those lines, then you can just smother people and lock them down with out causing any real damage.

    I remember watching a video of donald cerrone doing "sparring" with some average gym goers, he throws a head kick at probably 5% power (seriously) and drops this kid, he literally just taps him.

    Imagine what the bigger guys would do when striking normal people.
    size helps. ive been between 19st and 22st all my years working and it does help. even in this day and age people still think the biggest guy is the hardest so ive been lucky.

    as long as you can back it up if you have to though..

    and ive seen some of the best knock outs ever by mates around the 10 - 11 stone mark so technique rasther than size is more important imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffdragon View Post
    size helps. ive been between 19st and 22st all my years working and it does help. even in this day and age people still think the biggest guy is the hardest so ive been lucky.

    as long as you can back it up if you have to though..

    and ive seen some of the best knock outs ever by mates around the 10 - 11 stone mark so technique rasther than size is more important imo.
    I'd say for 90% of bouncers image is every thing. It's just being an imposing figure that does most of the work. The worst combination is being a killer small guy, all the drunk fat lads will try it on and you have too beat their arses and risk injuring them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timp View Post
    I'd say for 90% of bouncers image is every thing. It's just being an imposing figure that does most of the work. The worst combination is being a killer small guy, all the drunk fat lads will try it on and you have too beat their arses and risk injuring them.
    haha yeah, i worked alot with my cuz and he was my height but about 14 stone. theyd look at me, then look at him then throw a punch at him. he had no training but was good with his hands and a bit mental so theyd get a proper hiding off him where as id normally just pick them up and squeeze them till they gave up lol.

    made a guy projectile vomit once by bear hugging him from behind. nothing to do with training or fighting just thought it was cool and had to mention it

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    Quote Originally Posted by timp View Post
    I always think being an amazing mma fighter would be so dangerous in the bouncing realm. If you are at a "pro" standard you are basically walking with the equivalent of a loaded gun.

    Boxing/muay thai/bjj all seem far too deadly for use on the general public if you are genuinely talented. You could easily end up getting a prison sentence.

    I think for a bouncer your best bet is just being a really big guy and doing wrestling or rugby or some thing along those lines, then you can just smother people and lock them down with out causing any real damage.

    I remember watching a video of donald cerrone doing "sparring" with some average gym goers, he throws a head kick at probably 5% power (seriously) and drops this kid, he literally just taps him.

    Imagine what the bigger guys would do when striking normal people.
    BJJ is probably the best art for a doorman to know. You learn to be able to subdue/control someone without causing them any harm (if you choose).

    I'd say a really big guy with rugby training is far more likely to seriously hurt someone due to lack of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob T View Post
    BJJ is probably the best art for a doorman to know. You learn to be able to subdue/control someone without causing them any harm (if you choose).

    I'd say a really big guy with rugby training is far more likely to seriously hurt someone due to lack of control.
    wouldnt any of the grappling arts be just as good though? TJJ and judo for examle?

    agree with the rugby guy bit. maybe good in a fight but not so much in escorting someone out.

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    A lot of TJJ schools are utter shit though, but if they train realistically with sparring then yeah, could be good. Judo is good, although the instinct from training to hit a big throw could go wrong. Same with wrestling. Clinch/trip takedowns are safer than high-amplitude throws so trained right defo good option. But BJJ teaches far more options for controlling someone while tying up their limbs, so I think it's the best option in this respect, but others will defo work.

    For anyone who wants to be able to stop a fight as quickly as possible (without striking), I'd say judo is the best. Hit an ippon throw on someone onto concrete and the fight is most likely over. I know a very good judo guy and he's told me some of his street fight stories... brutal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth View Post
    wasn't that in Brazil as well?
    yeh, almost 5 years ago now

    so i went to lapa (notorious street partying area of rio) on friday night with a group of people from one of the hostels near me. ended up going to a dance club, which turned out to be pretty weak, so 4 of the group (hot chinese/american chicks) decided to leave. of course this seemed like a good time to leave too.

    we walked through the crowd to a spot where we could catch a taxi, i turn and see one of the 5 foot tall chinese chicks wrestling with some guy! he's maybe early 20's and lean, who takes off down the street through the throng of people. obviously i know he's took something from her, and in that split second i decide to chase him.

    FUCK

    he has maybe a 20 metre headstart on me but he's running crazy, hitting people and foodcarts and stuff, and he didn't bank on someone who ran track as a youth chasing him.

    he never looks back and it takes me maybe 50 metres of dodging wide eyed revellers to catch him with double underhooks round the waist. i haul him backwards and strip what's still in his hands away. i then TOSS this guy with the most effortless adrenaline assisted suplex i have ever done in my life and he hits pavement on his head and shoulders.

    as he gets up, i weigh up my options. this is rio, and he could be armed...with a knife, or a gun, or anything. i don't want to turn my back on him and return until i'm sure he's not a threat. he's maybe 8 feet from me, and takes a step forward...

    i match his step making myself look big...

    and he bolts.

    i look at what i have in my hands and see the girl's camera. my heart pounds and i can almost feel the adrenaline in my ears and my quickened breath. i walk back to where i left the girls and they're fortunately still there. i produce the camera, and the girl nearly breaks my ribs with a hug. people are coming up to me asking in portuguese if i'm alright, and if i caught him. i tell them everything is cool, i got the camera back, they pat me on the back and the chinese chicks and i head off for the zona sul.

    i feel like batman and this is my gotham
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    Ended up biting myself just to show the police so it looked better as I had no marks on me but this guy was screaming he tried to kill me as he was been cuffed.
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