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    Quote Originally Posted by Evzy View Post
    The only valid point is really if they have travelled half way across the world
    When CW flies in guys from further afield (US, Australia etc) they're flown in with plenty of time to acclimatise. For example; Ulysses Gomez flew out on the Sunday before his fight in December, and the Aussie guys who fought in Dublin arrived on Monday morning.

    In Jordan last year we had a show that was beset by travel problems due to the snowstorms in Jordan and extreme weather in Europe. Flights were being delayed by 24 hours or more in some cases - Paul Marin for example arrived at the hotel about 10 minutes before the weigh-ins started (he still went off for two hours and cut a few pounds!). I don't speak for Cage Warriors, but the company is far from unreasonable - I can't imagine anyone being fined if something like travel delays causes them to miss weight.
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    Can't argue with that at all squire. to be fair CW do seem to be run with a lot of common sense, unlike some other promotions around...for instance one that rhymes with SLAMMA ..or MAMMA or... BAMMA...well maybe its not so much rhyming with that one.
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    Safe weight cutting is a collective responsibility of everybody involved with the fighter, not just down to the individual themselves as there often a lot of logistics involved. Blaming just the fighter if they don't make weight is abdicating that responsibility, ignoring the difficult process of weight cutting and focusing on the end result (i.e more punitive sanctions to keep the behaviour in check). I'm not having a go at CW at all - just pointing out a general problem in the sport.

    Talking about weight cutting as a process is taboo isn't it? But if we don't talk about it your sweeping a big problem under the carpet. Also your not giving a voice to the fighters who go through it - reinforcing the unequal power relationship between them and the promoters.

    People just want to talk about weight cutting as a single event. You made weight ! Great! Fulfilled your obligations and contract! How about the consequences - and not just in terms of rehydrating issues. Short term recovery? I've heard of fighters taking weeks before their body gets back to balance. But lets not talk about it. It don't matter does it?! It's their responsibility after all isn't it?

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    Well it is down to the fighter in so much as they can always move up a weight class if the weight cut is that dangerous or unhealthly for them, where taking roidage is pure cheating and illegal in the sport hence the need to be policed ahead of something that is down to personal choice.

    Don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of what you are saying regarding the health side of it, its just it really is one of those things that is down to the fighter, most mma orgs have enough expense as it is, to monitor weight cutting would add to that and until the PED issue's are sorted, non illegal issue's will take a back seat.
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    [QUOTE]its just it really is one of those things that is down to the fighter,/QUOTE]

    It's not that simple. The decision to move down or up in weight is made in a social context in which the structural position of the fighter means they will be influenced by messages from other people within the sub-culture (Managers, coaches , OTHER FIGHTERS, S & C specialists etc) all working to provide an edge whatever the risk. Fighters have more time to concentrate on just training and fighting but it can come at a cost. The more a fighter commits to moving up the feeder system of the sport they will be open to doing whatever needs to be done to progress. Nearly all the current Brits in UFC are doing so in a weight class at least one and sometimes two division lower than the one they started in. We're following the American model with aggressive weight cutting,. therefore the higher the fighter progresses up the feeder system the less choice they have in this regard.

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